Hey Jesse I like you, many of your ideas, and I really like your music, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your stance on this.
That’s cool! I appreciate all of those things. I agree with some parts of your response and see others differently (I won’t quote them all here because tumblr is so ugly for detailed responses; I hope people click to read them though!), but the part of what you’re saying that confuses me is that you start off by explaining “Nolan is reflecting on matters relevant not only in today’s society, but in the 1930s,” but continue to say things like “relating exaggerated comic book themes to real life or viewing it as some type of commentary.”
Don’t those two things contradict one another? Am I misunderstanding?
Aside from that even, I don’t think that just because something is fiction, or has fantastic elements, that it doesn’t say things about the world in which it was written, or at least the author’s perspectives thereupon. It seems to me that they’re inseparable, overall.
This movie wasn’t really even set in Gotham, in spite of what they kept calling the place. It was set in New York City - there was a long, juicy exterior shot of Sak’s Fifth Ave, even. Gotham wasn’t conceived in the first place as an unrealistic place - it was patterned on New York City from day one (“Gotham” is a nickname for NYC dating from the 19th century), and drew upon that city’s reputation for corruption and violent crime for its meaning. Things expressed about Gotham City in Batman comic books are things expressed about real US cities.
The thing is that even total fantasy that’s meant to be less specific than that still tells stories about the real world, and a writer can’t help but show their own views when doing that.
So I’m trying to figure out the fundamental point on which we disagree - am I misunderstanding, or do you feel the film is actually intended to have no message?
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- navajomoose said:Its interesting that the villains in Batman movies always criticize the “corruption” which batman of all people could probably fix, but between movies it’s kind of implied he spent the whole time beating up muggers.
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