Qu'est-ce Que J D?
belief/support III

ironcurtainyc:

Qu’est-ce Que J D?: belief/support

rljd:

ironcurtainyc:

rljd:

I don’t believe in marriage, but I support my friends however they want to work their partnership.

I don’t believe in procreation, but I support my friends however they want to develop their families.

I don’t believe in weight loss AND I DO NOT SUPPORT YOUR ATTEMPTED WEIGHT LOSS

SORRY

What if it’s Doctor’s orders? And the doctor in question is a competent and conscientious health professional who actually took tests (e.g., blood tests, Sphygmomanometer, etc.) and determined that you need to lose some weight, and not just a declaration of “you’re fat” after just looking at you?

While I do agree that Fat-phobia is bad, those doctors do exist, you know…

This what-if scenario is incomplete.  ”Need to lose some weight” for what purpose?

Warning: any answer you give, I am going to nitpick into the dirt, because the point I’m trying to make is that “weight” is not health information, and “losing some” is not medicine.

Actually, you do have a point. Let me rephrase it a different way: What if a doctor (a good one) says you have to get healthier, and that is the goal, and losing weight is a by-product of that? 

That’s fine by me!  I’m not saying heavier is better and anything that could cause someone to get smaller or lighter is therefore sinful.  My objections are all about social pressures and normativity.

I mean - to be more than just cursory and belligerent like my original post - it’s also “fine by me” if people have a goal to change their body any way they want, for whatever reason makes sense to them.  I just don’t have any support to offer when it comes to the goal of losing weight because it intrinsically posits the body I live in every day as a nightmare scenario.

I think it’s supremely self-centred for someone who knows fat people (even if they are also fat) to subject them to talk about dieting, weight loss goals, moral qualities of nutrition, and it being better to be thinner and worse to be fat.  The point of my original post was more “don’t make me listen to that” than “don’t do what you want to do.”

Hope that makes more sense now!

I’m fat, and although I’ve been different sizes at different times, my peers started telling me I was fat when I was around eight or nine and that’s all that matters when it comes to being identified. Being fat is not something anyone is allowed to do with total nonchalance in this culture, but if it’s easiest on anyone, it’s easiest on people who have every other type of privilege afforded. It’s easier to be a man and fat, white and fat, masculine and fat, straight-presenting and fat.
Jesse Dangerously interviewed by Anne Thériault for Shameless Magazine's blog about his song “Coming Out Wrong.”
I am 100% in accord with the sentiments expressed in the review above, and I think LeastHelpful is losing its edge pretty sadly & rapidly if this is the most outrageous complaint they’ve seen lately.

I am 100% in accord with the sentiments expressed in the review above, and I think LeastHelpful is losing its edge pretty sadly & rapidly if this is the most outrageous complaint they’ve seen lately.

Fat Acceptance

amaditalks:

fuckyeahlgbtqlatinxs:

The people who are most shamed and oppressed for being fat are working class people of color and working class white people.  Many of which either live in food deserts in urban areas or live in rural areas where grocery stores may be scarce or difficult to get to if you don’t have a car/ have limited transportation options.

But fat acceptance bloggers and activists seem to always be class privileged white people or class privileged people of color.  Who are young.  Have relatively easy access to grocery stores/ food.  Do not have children.  Are not disabled. Etc.

I feel like the majority of fat acceptance posts I see are pictures of young, fat, able bodied people in bathtubs filled with donuts or pictures of fat white people with pies on their tits or something.

Which is great.

But people talking about fat acceptance and body positivity seem to always be people who have agency over their bodies and what they put in it/ what they do to it and what others do to it.

I want to see more fat acceptance and body positive work that focuses on food justice and accessible healthcare issues.  I want to see the discussion of fatness and bodies be dominated by fat people who do not have great amounts of power and control over their food sources and the food that is realistic for them to be able to buy, prepare, and consume.

I think that there is a huge disconnect between the work that I see most fat acceptance activists doing and the reality of food deserts, poverty, shitty public school lunches, unhealthy fast food, attacks on poor communities that take land to create urban gardens, and the rampant rates of diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and heart disease in working class communities of color.

I’m fucking tired of reading class privileged fat people talk about how they can eat whatever they want, when they want, in whatever quantities they want.  Do yall even understand the kind of privilege you have to be able to say that and live that?  To be able to eat whatever the hell you please whenever the hell you please?

People’s bodies, and what they choose to do with their bodies, should never be policed or shamed.  But will fat acceptance bloggers and body positive bloggers please fucking start recognizing that people of color’s bodies are policed and shamed from the goddamn second we are born?

And on a different note: If you run a body positive blog and regularly post pictures of non-Black people with dreads you are fucking up.  I see that shit all the time. Stop that fuckery.  You are not being body positive if you are posting some fucked up racist cultural appropriation shit.

We need to divorce the discussion of fat positivity in terms of body positivity and self-love in our bodies no matter their size, shape or color (and recognizing the problematic aspects of loving our bodies when we have disabilities and/or illnesses or dysphoric issues) and the political issues of food, food policy, food access and the like. They’re only tangentially related.

And in fact, when we conflate the politics of food and food access with fatness, we’re walking right into the trap of problematizing fat bodies. When we join up a discussion of fat with “food deserts, poverty, shitty public school lunches, unhealthy fast food,” all unquestionable negatives, we’re falling right into the mainstream narrative of “oh, if only those poor fats (and poor fats especially) had access to healthy food, they wouldn’t be so fat.”

NO.

There’s nothing fat accepting or body positive about perpetuating notions that give food choices and/or access primacy in the issue of fatness or suggest that fat folk are fat because of the symptoms and manifestations of systemic oppression, that variance in body size is something solvable or even addressable if only there was more fruit and less fries.

When we take it the step further and bring in a discussion of “rampant rates of diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and heart disease” we are stock centered in the muck of the “fat is unhealthy!” tropes that fat acceptance, especially the HAES-focused model, rejects entirely.

I’m not willing to grant that ground. I’m not willing to have to fight the causation ≠ correlation battle yet again. I’m not willing to fight the fat = unhealthy vs. unhealthy = unhealthy battle again.

Not for my working class community of color, not for any community.

The only way that food access, policy and politics issues interplay with fat issues is if you accept an incrementalist perspective on fat that says “well, fat is okay on a personal level but…”

There are no acceptable “buts” here, though. It is or it isn’t. Which is it?

Fat acceptance says that there is, on this one fundamental issue, one answer to that question. Hint: it’s right there in the name of the ideal.

Mind, I’m not saying that we don’t need to talk about food politics and policy. I’m not saying that by any means. I’m especially not saying that we don’t need to talk about how our national food policy that gives preference to the issues of rural communities, is overly influenced by mega agribiz multinationals like Monsanto and is designed from the top down in order to enrich the rich while spending as little as possible on its actual goals is killing people (and not just in America) in a number of ways.

I’m just saying that fatness isn’t one of those ways.

And I’m saying fat acceptance cannot have this discussion on the terms of the fat hating mainstream which is exactly what this kind of conflation is. I’m saying that fat acceptance and body positivity recognizes that as soon as you start merging a discussion about fatness, especially fatness in communities (which is already a very fraught area to get into) with negative issues of politics and policy, the discussion is already lost.

You want to discuss what it means when a whole community has no easy access to fresh food? So do I. As soon as you say “and that’s why people there are fat” and make it an issue of blame, there’s nothing left to talk about from a fat acceptance perspective.

If you want to talk about how food policy and politics, from federal farm bills down to local zoning laws impact how entire groups of people are able to safely feed themselves and their families, I’m in.

You want to talk about how that is one of many systemic issues that has a negative impact upon health metrics like blood pressure and heart disease, yes, let’s do that.

When you bring body size into it? You’re not only completely disregarding fat acceptance, you’re betraying it.

And none of that has anything to do with whether or not a fat person takes a picture with a piece of pie on their tits. We have to break these issues down, put them in their proper places and recognize when seemingly like topics? Actually aren’t.

And above all else, we must stop problematizing fat bodies (especially poor and/or brown fat bodies) and sacrificing them on the altar of food justice.

Fat acceptance is for every fat body.

Food justice is for every person who eats.

The two are not at odds. The two should be allied causes. But they are not one in the same, and neither can be subsumed or co-opted in the battle for the other.

This response (by Amadi talks) is a sequence of excellent points, made well.  I love it.

Less hate. Less shame.

I need to disengage from the type of fat activism that seems endemic to Tumblr (and probably other blogging communities), where people who identify as legitimately fat just scream and scream at people they deem to be less fat, or less legitimately fat.

I really need to find a place where I can be part of a movement to be good to everyone at every size and without a lack of regard for how fat bodies are hated on in particular, but where I am also able to pretend people who I would like to count as allies aren’t constantly, viciously out to make people of other body types feel as worthless and despicable as the mainstream would like me and us to feel.

My solution to fat hate and body shaming does not include more hate and shaming.

I am unfollowing a GRIP of motherfuckers.  I used to have to only do that for fat-PHOBIC content.  (Or well I mean lots of *.phobic content but you know, BAD GUYS.)

It took me a long time to realize that my partners were having sex with me in part because of the way my body looks, not in spite of the way my body looks. It sounds simple, I know, but when you spend your whole life being told that fat bodies are not sexy, it takes some time to realize that sexiness isn’t that simple. This understanding is not something that happens overnight for most of us. Hell, it can take years. But, the sooner you learn (yes, learn) to feel sexy just the way you are, the sooner you’ll be able to enjoy your sexuality more fully.

Really, this goes for men and women of all sizes, not just fat women. You owe it to yourself and your partner to trust that he or she really desires you and to do the best you can to keep that in mind when you find you have a hard time letting go and really being seen during sex.
Fat Sex: What Everyone Wants to Know but is Afraid to Ask
(via meandthestereo)
Fuck yeah!!

Fuck yeah!!

This is a response by the homegirl Eden to that damnable body-shaming pro-bike/anti-car graphic.  She left in the indication of vehicular superiority, but took out the part that relies on me hating my body.  Thanks, Eden!
(because this is a rap blog, I will tell you her rap name: E-Cup.)

This is a response by the homegirl Eden to that damnable body-shaming pro-bike/anti-car graphic.  She left in the indication of vehicular superiority, but took out the part that relies on me hating my body.  Thanks, Eden!

(because this is a rap blog, I will tell you her rap name: E-Cup.)